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Spass mit dem Griechischen Schuldenschnitt – Bernd Niquet Edition

Eigentlich soll man sich ja nicht über “Kollegen” lustig machen, aber hier kann man nicht anders.

“Erfolgsautor” Bernd Niquet feiert sich bei wallstreet:online selber:

Das Wichtigste ist jedoch: Für 1.000 Euro nominal alt besitzt man jetzt 315 Euro EFSF-Papiere zzgl. für den Betrag der aufgelaufenen Zinsen.

Wer also, wie ich vorgeschlagen habe, zu 30 gekauft hat, besitzt jetzt 31,5 (EFSF-Papiere allererster Bonität, die zu pari notieren) plus ein ganzes Sammelsurium aus kleinen Wundertüten und Schokoladentäfelchen, die einen süß, die anderen hingegen zartbitter.

Das ist kein Super-Profit, aber sehr ansehnlich. Und wer tatsächlich noch kurz vor Schluss zu 20 oder gar 16 gekauft hat, hat sein Geld jetzt bereits mehr als verdoppelt. Man sollte also nicht immer nur herumjammern.

FALSCH Herr Niquet. Wer Ihrem Tipp gefolgt ist besitzt jetzt 15% EFSF Anleihen dazu noch 31,5% “neue Anleihen” die ungefähr 6-7% vom alten NominalWert sind. Dazu noch der Warrant zu aktuell 0,8%, dann ist man bei 22% ohne Stückzinsen.

Macht also einen Verlust von -25% gegenüber Ihrem Empfehlungskurs. Mal schauen wie lange der Artikel stehen bleibt. Peinlich peinlich.

Exotic securities: “Detachable GDP linked Greek warrant” – Valuation approach

In the first post i quickly looked at the features of the “Detachable GDP linked Greek warrant” (ISIN GRR000000010)

With securities like this, there are usually many ways to try to value this. You could eiher lock up a handfull of rocket scientists into an office and only let them out if they produce a model which is mind boggingly difficult, including at least features like “Monte Carlo simulation, path dependend barrier option etc.” or you can try a “common sense” approach to get a feeling about the risks and value drivers of such a complex structure. As anon-rocket scientist, I prefer the second one.

In order to get a rough idea how to evaluate this, we have to make sure to understand the following issues and risk factors:

Default risk

If Greece defaults, we don’t have to worry about GDP growth anymore. We should assume zero value (no recovery) in this scenario.

Maximum pay out

As discussed, the bond pays out a maximum of 1% on outstanding notional starting 2015. Based on the amortisation schedule (by the way: here is the Reg_S_Invitation_Memorandum1 GDP warrant starts at page 52) we can compute the best case cashflows:

Nominal Coupon max Payment in % of original amount
2012 100.0%    
2013 100.0%    
2014 100.0%    
2015 100.0% 1% 1.00%
2016 100.0% 1% 1.00%
2017 100.0% 1% 1.00%
2018 100.0% 1% 1.00%
2019 100.0% 1% 1.00%
2020 100.0% 1% 1.00%
2021 100.0% 1% 1.00%
2022 100.0% 1% 1.00%
2023 100.0% 1% 1.00%
2024 95.2% 1% 0.95%
2025 90.5% 1% 0.90%
2026 85.7% 1% 0.86%
2027 81.0% 1% 0.81%
2028 76.2% 1% 0.76%
2029 71.1% 1% 0.71%
2030 66.0% 1% 0.66%
2031 61.0% 1% 0.61%
2032 55.9% 1% 0.56%
2033 50.8% 1% 0.51%
2034 45.7% 1% 0.46%
2035 40.6% 1% 0.41%
2036 35.6% 1% 0.36%
2037 30.5% 1% 0.30%
2038 25.4% 1% 0.25%
2039 20.3% 1% 0.20%
2040 15.2% 1% 0.15%
2041 10.2% 1% 0.10%
2042 5.1% 1% 0.05%
2043 0.0% 1% 0.00%
       
Total     18.62%

So in the “perfect recovery case” and ignoring the option of the Government, the bond will pay out a maximum total of 18,62% of nominal value over its life.

Bond equivalent

If we then forget for a moment about the GDP triggers, we could calculate a market value for a bond with a fixed payement schedule resembling the best case of the GDP linker. For this we can use the current traded yield of the new greek Bonds, which is around 16% p.a.

Nominal Coupon max Payment in % of original amount NPV at 16%
2012 100.0%      
2013 100.0%      
2014 100.0%      
2015 100.0% 1% 1.00% 0.6%
2016 100.0% 1% 1.00% 0.6%
2017 100.0% 1% 1.00% 0.5%
2018 100.0% 1% 1.00% 0.4%
2019 100.0% 1% 1.00% 0.4%
2020 100.0% 1% 1.00% 0.3%
2021 100.0% 1% 1.00% 0.3%
2022 100.0% 1% 1.00% 0.2%
2023 100.0% 1% 1.00% 0.2%
2024 95.2% 1% 0.95% 0.2%
2025 90.5% 1% 0.90% 0.1%
2026 85.7% 1% 0.86% 0.1%
2027 81.0% 1% 0.81% 0.1%
2028 76.2% 1% 0.76% 0.1%
2029 71.1% 1% 0.71% 0.1%
2030 66.0% 1% 0.66% 0.0%
2031 61.0% 1% 0.61% 0.0%
2032 55.9% 1% 0.56% 0.0%
2033 50.8% 1% 0.51% 0.0%
2034 45.7% 1% 0.46% 0.0%
2035 40.6% 1% 0.41% 0.0%
2036 35.6% 1% 0.36% 0.0%
2037 30.5% 1% 0.30% 0.0%
2038 25.4% 1% 0.25% 0.0%
2039 20.3% 1% 0.20% 0.0%
2040 15.2% 1% 0.15% 0.0%
2041 10.2% 1% 0.10% 0.0%
2042 5.1% 1% 0.05% 0.0%
2043 0.0% 1% 0.00% 0.0%
         
Total     18.62% 4.23%

This table shows us, that the value of such a bond would be currently 4.23% based on the yields of the traded Greek Goevernment bonds

So let’s summarize this:

If the GDP linker would be a bond with a fixed payout amounting to the maximum payout of the discussed mechanism, its current value would be 4.23% of nominal value.

Next step: Assuming a “binary” option

Now just for fun, we could assume that the bond would only contain one option: If the first threshold is reached (2014 GDP 210 bn EUR, real 2014 yoy GDP growth of >= 2.34%) we could approx. work out the implied probabilityin current market prices.

So very simplistic (and mathematically not correct), with a curent price of the GDP warrant of ~0.80 % of nominal, the implied probability would be 0.80 EUR / 4.23 = 18.93% of achieving the required GDP scenario

Next step: More options !!!!!

As each years coupon payment of the bond depends independently on each years YoY real GDP growth, in theory each coupon would have to be valued as a seperate option. So theoretically, ignoring the nominal GDP hurdle, we have 29 single options packed into this security !!!

However, as we have seen in the second table, the options in the later year are worth almost nothing due to the high discount rate.

They payout itself is defined as the difference of the actual yoy GDP growth rate times 1.5 minus a reference GDP growth rate.

The reference rates are the following rates,the second colum shows the required rates for max.payout:

ref GDP yoy required for max
201400.00% 2.35% 2.23%
201500.00% 2.90% 2.60%
201600.00% 2.85% 2.56%
201700.00% 2.77% 2.51%
201800.00% 2.60% 2.40%
201900.00% 2.50% 2.33%
202000.00% 2.25% 2.16%
202100.00% 2.00% 2.00%

If we look at the Eurostat page, which publishes the relevant rate we can see that from 1996 until 2007, Greece had growth rates usually north of 3.5% with few exceptions. Interestingly they offer projections for 2012 and 2013 as well.

GDP hurdle: more fun

Maybe late at night during those negotiations an advisor thought: “hmm 29 different options with a non traded underlying is not difficult enough, so lets add some funky stuff !!!”.

As I described in the first post, no matter what the actual yoy growth rate looks like, the security only pays if certain nominal GDP thresholds are reached.

The thresholds are as follows:

year nominal GDP yoy
2014 210.1  
2015 217.9 3.71%
2016 226.4 3.90%
2017 235.7 4.11%
2018 245.5 4.16%
2019 255.9 4.24%
2020 266.47 4.13%
therafter 266.47 0.00%

To compare this with current data, I downloaded the GDP numbers directly from the official Greek statistical service, ELSTAT.

YEAR 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006* 2007* 2008* 2009* 2010* 2011*
gdp 142 151 166 180 189 204 215 222 225 223 212

Interestingly, all numbers since 2006 are “provisional” whatever that means.

So in order to hit the nominal trigger, Greek GDP hast to reach 2011 levels in 2014.

Purchase Option

According to the prospectus, Greece has the “option” to purchase the warrants back. Howver this “option” isnot based on a fixed strike price but atrailing 30 day market price. Theoretically, an option at market price does not have any theoretical option value. However it introduces some “moral hazard” into the scheme. Greece could give a very bad outlook and then buy the Warrants back cheaply beforethen revising the outlook upwards.

So before this gets boring, let’s apply some common sense instead indulging in further quant dreams. In my opion one could think about the two main features as two “bets”:

A) Nominal GDP “bet”

This is basically a bet that Greece doesn’t fall in a deflationary trap and regains Nominal GDP around 2014.

B) Back to historical growth “bet”

This is the second bet that Greece goes back to historical growth and we get the full payout

In order to win this “game” one has to win both bets, winning only one is not enough.

If we further assume that the possibility of a Greek bankruptcy is independently reflected in our calculated discounted cash flows, we can value the security in the following way:

Probability of “Nominal GDP bet” times probability of “Historical growth bet” times NPV of max payout

With this assumption one can calculate a very simple valuation grid based on the NPV of 4.23% for the maximum payout:

Nominal bet        
Back to Growth 10% 20% 30% 40% 50%
10% 0.04% 0.08% 0.13% 0.17% 0.21%
20% 0.08% 0.17% 0.25% 0.34% 0.42%
30% 0.13% 0.25% 0.38% 0.51% 0.63%
40% 0.17% 0.34% 0.51% 0.68% 0.85%
50% 0.21% 0.42% 0.63% 0.85% 1.06%

So the picture is relatively clear: Only if one asumes for both, the non-deflation scenario and the return to historical growth bets a chance of 40-50% EACH, then the current market prices of around 80 cents might makes sense.

Personally, I don’t see the returns to historical growth rates any time soon, although I might accept a chance of maybe 50% that they can reach the nominal target.

At the moment, I would not buy this at any price. I think this is one of the securities which will “sleep” for a long time eventually die or maybe become interesting in 5 years when everyone has forgotten about them and Greece for some reason avoided bankruptcy again and one can get this for virtually nothing.

Edit:Some changes made with regard to the GDP growth formula and the repurchase option.Thanks to Dante for reminding me.

Exotic securities: “Detachable GDP linked Greek warant” (ISIN GRR000000010)

Yiiihaaa, this Monday was the first day this “beauty” is trading. As mentioned before, this is a security which is part of the “PSI package”.

As one could expect, this security is mind boggingly complex. As far as I understand, the features are as follows:

1. The max payout is 1% per year based on the nominal value
2. the first potential payment date will be 15th October 2015
4. The nominal Value will amortise after year 2022 to zero in year 2043
3. In order to trigger the payout, two principle conditions have to apply (apart from Greece not being not bankrupt)
a) the greek GDP has to be abvove a certain specified nominal amount
b) the growth rate of the real Greek GDP has to be aboev a certain specified rate
4. The Greek Government can “call” the warrants anytime from 2020 on based on a 30 day trailing market price

The specified nominal GDP hurdle for 2014 is 210 billion and increases to 260 bn EUR in 2020. Through Google I found an estimated GDP number for 2011 of 310 bn USD or ~ 238 mn EUr for 2011, so they could shrink further to a certain extent and still be above the trigger. Currently, GDP shrinks at -5.5 nominal rate. Two years with this rate would bring as very close to the trigger level.

The required real growth rates are in the area of ~2.35 to 2.8% in the first few years and then 2% thereafter.

I haven’t built a model yet, but from a theoretical point of view it will be a really fun exercise.

Market prices:

On monday the first trades on the German Exchange were ~1.25 % of nominal value, at the moment small lots are traded at 0.95 EUR. The lowest trades were executed at 0.85 EUR. The broker quotes I see are something like 0.75/1.00 so the banks don’t seem to be keen to make a market.

So let’s wait and see how this develoipes. In any case I always find it big fun to look at such “exotics”….

value-investing.eu – Screener & Newsletter

Thanks to a good friend, I had the opportunity to test the screening tool from the guys of value-investing.eu.

Founder Tim du Toit (by the way: intersting interview with Tim here) and his colleague developed a screening tool which offers different screens based on a pretty large database of around 22k international stocks. The different strategies for which they offer a screen each is described here on their website.

In general, they are big fans of “quantitive value investing”, meaning that they don’t really dig too deep into companies and business models but try to build portfolio’s based on certain quantitative “formulas” based on well known fundamental ratios liek P/V, P/E etc.

The screener itself is relatively easy to use. I do not have a comparison to other available screeners for private individuals, but I think especially for the European stock market the tool is really competitve. They charge 299 EUR per year for the screener which seems to be a fair deal.

The only disadvantage was the fact that one cannot easily customize the queries. In theory, they could offer a little bit more user friendly flexibility to create customized queries, but maybe I was just to dumb to understand the customization possibilities.

I didn’t deeply check the data quality, but you can check the underlying data usually with a mouse click.

Additionally, they offer a monthly newsletter with 2 stock tips a month or so and reasearch, either for 209 EUR without the screener or 399 EUR a year as a bundle. If you only want to try out their offers for a shorter period, they offer cheaper 3 month packages as well (99 EUR for the screener).

I quickly scanned the newsletter, but I was not overly impressed. I compared for example their view on Creston Plc with my own analysis and found it a little bit “shallow”.

I think “quantitative value investing” works well in a portfolio with a larger number of shares, but it shouldn’t be overemphasized for stock picking.

However they issue really interesting additional research. Especially their current research from March, where they back test all their strategies plus some interesting “cross factor” models including pricing momentum is really interesting.

Summary: I think the screener seems to be really “good value” for people either interested in “quanitative value investing” or investors trying to identify interesting stock ideas. I am a little bit unsure to recommend the newsletter, at least for me it doesn’t really create value.

Disclosure: I do not use the screener and I do not get any money etc. by recommending it.

Buzzi Unichem: Good news from Germany

The investment case for Buzzi Unichem was based on the thesis that Buzzi is regarded as an Italian Company (with all the related problems), wheras the majority of the business is located outside Italy, especially in the German stock listed subsidiary Dyckerhoff.

Dyckerhoff announced 2011 results today and they are very strong.

Profit was ~66 mn EUR after 6 mn the year before. Cashflow was much stronger as Dyckerhoff reports a reduction in net debt by almost 140 mn EUR. As 93% of this ends up at Buzzi, things look a lot better than last year from this part of the Group.

In the base case, I assumed 200 mn Free Cashflow p.a. for the whole Group, so it seems that Buzzi is on track at least based on my investment case.
However we will have to wait what the result of the “non Dyckerhoff” business will show. However one should be aware that this is only a first step into the right direction.

Edit:

Unfortunately, the Pref shares have underperformed the common shares significantly. Since Jan 01.01.2011, the relative underperfomance was ~-20%.

Let’s hope that the gap closes if things improve further.

Exotic securities: (True) perpetual Portuguese Government bonds

As some readers know, I have a weakness for “exotic” securities. Those are usually fixed income securities with some uncommon features.

As now Portugal looks like the next Greece, I just had a quick look at Portuguese Government bonds. If one wants to speculate on a potential recovery, the longer dated Govies are usually the better bet, as we have seen in Greece, the haircut is the same for every bond, irrespective of the marurity. However the upside is usually a lot better for long dated bonds (if they survive).

When I checked the long dated Portuguese bonds, I was genuinely surprised:

Portugal has some “true” perpetual bonds outstanding, which I only know from history (I think the UK has some as well).

There seem to be four different series, all issued in the 1940ies during WWII:

– 4.00%, issued 1940 (ISIN PTCON4OE0005)
– 3.50%, issued 1941 (ISIN PTCON1OE0008)
– 3.00%, issued 1942 (ISIN PTCON2OE0007)
– 2.75%, issued 1943 (ISIN PTCON3OE0006)

As far as I could see, the bonds are traded irregulary on the Lisbon stock exchange (LSE), however pricing is quite volatile and amounts (if any) are small. Bid ask is currently somethin like 25/36 for the 2.75% bond ….

For the 4% bonds there were some “real” trades at around 24-25% in January and February. This would be an attractive price if one could get it.

It would be intersting to see if one could actually buy those bonds on the stock exchange. I am also not sure what nominal values those bonds have. A quick Google search didn’t provide any meaningful results.

So as a summary:

It is nothing to invest into right now, but something to look closer, especially if the situation in Portugal gets more severe.

Barriers to entry: Green Mountain edition

The market for single-cup coffee in the US has become more crowded:

Reuters) – Shares in Green Mountain Coffee Roasters Inc (GMCR.O) tumbled 14 percent on Friday, on fears that it may lose its near monopoly in the U.S. single-cup coffee market after partner Starbucks Corp (SBUX.O) outlined plans to launch a rival coffee and espresso machine.

Of course, Green Mountain is downplaying this:

“There is (also an) opportunity for complementary high-pressure espresso-based systems,” Green Mountain Chief Executive Lawrence Blanford said in a statement on Friday.

At current prices, Green Mountain is still valued at 14 times EV EBITDA and 4 times sales and a P/E of 30. For a company in a market where really strong competitors just can enter like this, maybe still far too expensive.

It will be interesting, how far the stock price goes down this time.

Housekeeping: rejected, sold and forgotten

Some weeks ago, there was a very good post over at Barel Karsan. I think he hit exactly the right spot here:

Some time after you’ve purchased a stock, you probably have a pretty good idea as to whether you made a good decision or not. This is because you likely follow the stocks you have purchased fairly closely. This feedback mechanism allows you to fine-tune your stock purchase criteria so that you don’t make the same mistakes again. But often, some of the best lessons to be learned come from the stocks you didn’t buy, but considered buying!

I would even add to this, that one should also still try to follow the stocks one has sold in order to find out if the selling decision has added value or not.

So I built up two tracking lists. The first list consists of the stocks which were in the portfolio at one pint in time but sold. I want to track the relative perfomance of the stock and the benchmark since the sale.

Tracking list stocks sold

Stock Date Sale price Current Perf Perf BM Delta
Ensco 23.02.11 53.12 56.5 6.4% -5.0% -11.4%
Sysco 08.04.11 28.0 29.8 6.3% -6.7% -12.9%
Apogee 19.05.11 9.4 13.0 38.1% -7.3% -45.4%
ENI 13.07.11 15.7 17.6 12.3% -5.6% -17.9%
Tesco 15.07.11 403.0 314.1 -22.0% -4.5% 17.5%
Tsakos 20.07.11 9.3 6.6 -28.7% -4.8% 23.8%
DEGI International 09.08.11 27.8 29.8 7.4% 14.9% 7.5%
CS Euroreal 09.08.11 51.9 41.6 -19.8% 14.9% 34.7%
Axa Immoinvest 09.08.11 37.3 27.6 -26.0% 14.9% 40.9%
Pargesa 17.08.11 63.9 66.5 4.0% 12.8% 8.9%
Medtronic 17.08.11 32.2 38.1 18.4% 12.8% -5.6%
Beneton 17.08.11 4.6 4.6 -0.3% 12.8% 13.1%
Noble 17.08.11 31.64 39.1 23.5% 12.8% -10.7%
Bijou 31.08.11 63.5 70.6 11.1% 13.9% 2.8%
RWE 27.09.11 27.8 35.2 26.5% 19.2% -7.3%
Einhell 02.11.11 32.3 33.0 2.1% 14.2% 12.1%
Microsoft 09.12.11 25.1 32.0 27.4% 13.4% -14.0%
Frosta 03.01.12 16.7 18.0 7.7% 9.7% 1.9%
Westag 03.01.12 18.3 17.1 -6.7% 9.7% 16.3%
Magyar 24.02.12 2.0 1.9 -5.6% -0.3% 5.3%
KSB vz 15.02.12 439.9 435.9 -0.9% 0.9% 1.8%
Autostrada 06.03.12 6.3 5.9 -6.3% 3.4% 9.7%
             
Avg           4.7%

A negative delta means the stock has outperformed since I have sold it, positive delta means the benchamrk has performed better. On avarage one can see that the sell decisions added value, outperforming the benchmark based on this simple measure by ~4.7%.

Analysed but rejected stocks

Stock Date Sale price Current Perf Perf BM Delta
Ameron 10.03.11 69.8 85.0 21.8% -4.0% -25.8%
UPM 16.11.11 8.2 10.4 27.5% 14.8% -12.7%
Home Retail 30.08.11 122.5 104.1 -15.0% 17.1% 32.2%
Hewlett Packard 22.08.11 24.5 24.6 0.8% 21.5% 20.7%
Delta Lloyd 15.04.11 17.7 13.4 -24.3% -5.3% 19.0%
Esso SAF 06.12.11 63.4 75.5 19.1% 12.2% -6.9%
April 05.01.12 11.5 15.7 37.2% 11.5% -25.7%
Creston 03.02.12 49.8 60.0 20.6% 0.4% -20.2%
Nintendo 10.02.12 10830.0 11380.0 5.1% 1.8% -3.3%
Lingotes 24.02.12 3.0 3.0 0.0% -0.3% -0.3%
Colefax 08.03.12 223.0 223.0 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%
 
Avg           -2.1%

Here, the rejected stocks have performed on average better than the benchmark. Of course I can not say if they performed better than the portfolio, but it tells me that my “filtering” at least throws out interesting stocks even if I do not finally buy them.

In parallel I try to keep a record why I sold them and why I didn’t buy them, but in theory I can search in my blog as well. This is by the wy one of the really nice things about blogging.

Summary: I think it is a great exercise to look at “past” stocks and keep an eye on them. There might be the time when they become interesting again and “refreshing” old knowledge is much easier than starting from the beginning.

Colefax Plc – Quick valuation exercise

As promised in the post comparing Colefax and AS Creation, I wanted to have a quick look at Colefax from a valuation point of view.

Mean reversion pricing

One very simple check I am always doing is the following: I look over a period of 10+ years at the following numbers:

– average P/E
– average profit margin

I then multiply current sales times avarage profit margin times average P/E to get a “reversion to the mean” pricing. The same can be done for EBITDA Margins and EV/EBITDA.

For Colefax, this results in the following “mean reversion” price targets (1999-2010):

NI/P/E: 172 pence
EBITDA/EV: 245 pence

So no big upside here compared to the current price of ~220 pence. The main reason is that Colefax was always cheap. Average P/E over those 12 years was 7 and average EV/EBITDA (ex leases) was 3.4. As current margins are also close or slightly above averages, there is no “mean reversion potential” in the stock.

Free Cashflow valuation

If we look at the Cashflows of the last 5 Years (2007-2011) we see the following picture:

2011 2010 2009 2008 2007 Avg
Oper CF AT 6,200 4793 3596 4647 6209 5,089
Delta WC -455 306 725 -815 -427 -133
Normalised OCF 6,655 4,487 2,871 5,462 6,636 5,222
Investing cashflow -2885 -1716 -1729 -1448 -1648 -1,885
Free CF norm 3,770 2,771 1,142 4,014 4,988 3,337
             
Depreciation 2,044 1,883 1,795 1,690 1,629 1,808
Share buyback 1,840 137 895 465 3,093 1,286
Dividends 486 412 592 604 600 539

On average, Colefax generated around 3.3 mn GBP free cashflow. I think it is clear that we should not assume a lot of growth going forward, apart from some potential cyclical recoveries which might be offset by cyclical down turns.

If we look how the “intrinsic” value developes using different growth rates and discount rates we can use the following table:

8% 9% 10% 11% 12%
0% 2.97 2.64 2.37 2.16 1.98
1% 3.39 2.97 2.64 2.37 2.16
2% 3.96 3.39 2.97 2.64 2.37
3% 4.75 3.96 3.39 2.97 2.64

We would need to assume a 3% growth rate under my “standard” discount rate of 10% to get a decent margin of safety. On the other hand, the downside seems to be limited to a certain extent as well. For the time being I would hesitate to use a low discount rate because of the difficulty to explain the relatively high operating leases.

So let’s make a quick summary:

– assuming no nominal growth at all, Colefax seems to be fairly valued using the standard discount rate of 10%
– if for some reason one could assume growth or the operating lease issue would be clearer, the intrinsic value could be significantly higher
– very positive is the shareholder friendly use of free cashflwo with significant share buy backs and dividends

For now, I think the stock is no screaming buy but definitely something for the watch list. For a semi-cyclical, housing related stock like Colefax I would like to see more “reversion to the mean” potential than what we see at current levels.

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