Monthly Archives: August 2012

Reply SpA part 3 – Strange cashflow –> RED FLAG ALERT

In the last two posts (part 1, part 2) about Reply, I mentioned that there was some questionable provisioning for overdue receivables and that free cash flow generation in general looks relatively weak.

So let’s look at a further example, if and how reliable Reply’s accounting is.

In 2009, Reply made an interesting deal, as stated in the 2009 annual report:

Acquisition of Motorola Research centre
In February 2009 Reply Group, through the subsidiary company Santer Reply S.p.A., finalized the acquisition of the Motorola research centre based in Turin.
The acquisition, accountable as a “net asset acquisition” was purchased by Reply for a symbolic amount of 1 Euro and comprised 339 employees, 20.6 million Euros in cash, 2.9 million Euros of assets and liabilities for 23.5 million Euros. Reply has committed to the operation on the basis of the research perspectives outlined at the time of acquisition and the agreements defined with the public administrations (Region and Ministry of Development).

Such agreements foresee that the Piedmont Region finance through a free grant a maximum of 10 million Euros on the condition that the Research centre carries out projects within the research and development of Machine to Machine (“M2M”) and that proof can be provided. Furthermore, the Ministero dello Sviluppo Economico (S.M.E.) has made a commitment to grant the Research centre a loan for a maximum of 15 million Euros of which 10 million a free grant for research and development projects similar to those agreed with the Piedmont Region.
In the last months the Board of directors of Reply Group and Santer Reply S.p.A have outlined and defined organizational strategies of the course of business of the Centre. More specifically costs related to research projects have been quantified and the financial resources necessary for such research projects and means of disbursement have been defined by the Public Administrations.

So they “bought” a company for 1 EUR which had 20.6 mn in cash. In theory, we should see this as a positive investing cashflow in the CF statement. Lets look at the 2009 statement:

Strangely, the stated “payments for the acquisition of subsidiaries net of cash received” is negative !! We know that they only paid 1 EUR, received 20 mn and didn’t do other big acquisitions in 2009.

I do not know where they actually booked the acquired 20 mn EUR liquidity, but this is very very strange.

The second part of the puzzle are the Government grants out of this deal.

In their notes, they state the following:

Government grants
Government grants are recognized in the financial statements when there is reasonable assurance that the company concerned will comply with the conditions for receiving such grants and that the grants themselves will be received. Government grants are recognized as income over the periods necessary to match them with the related costs which they are intended to compensate.

So what in theory should happen is the following:

-when they receive the money, the book a liability against the money (P&L neutral)
– then over time they reduce the liability by booking this release as profit

Based on Note 29, Reply booked already such a provision of ~23 mn EUR at the end of 2009, from where they used half of it again. I am not sure why,but again, where is the corresponding asset ? I would assume somewhere in other receivables (as they may not have received the Government money in 2009).

If one of the readers really understands what is going on here, then please help me.

In 2010, the provisioning continues, it looks like the increase and use those provisions as they like to:

This might explain why the very unusual and unexplained line item “changes in other assets and liabilities” makes up 2/3 of Reply’s 2010 operating cashflow.

in 2011, the provision is still significant:

So what does that mean ?

In my opinion, there is poor visibility in the accounts and especially in the cash flow statements. We know now, that the Motorola transaction netted them around 40 mn EUR net cash, but didn’t show up in the investment cashflow. As it didn’t show up in financing cashflow neither, it has to be moved into operating cash.

As operating cash in total from 2009-2011 was only 55 mn EUR, basically a large amount of the operating cashflow in this period seems to be non-operating and coming from the acquired Motorola Research center.

At this point it is time to stop and summarize:

– at least to me, the accounting and cashflow treatment of the Motorola acquisition is not transparent
– together with the weak cash flow generation, large goodwill position and a large number of acquisitions this is A BIG RED FLAG

Maybe I am just not clever enough, but my philosophy to avoid companies with large intangibles and non-transparent accounting makes me stop here and not further investigate the company.

KAS Bank NV – half year results

Kas Bank, my latest portfolio addition released H1 results today.

Topline one sees a decrease, but the important part, commission income remained stable at 36.5 mn EUR. Underlying administrated Assets increased nicely.

Especially interesting was this statement:

In H1 2012, investment funds’ demand for KAS BANK’s independent custody services increased further in connection with the coming AIFM Directive which will take effect in mid-2013. This European Directive will impose tougher requirements for the custodial function of investment institutions.

This looks like a structural “tail wind” for custodians.

All in all, the 0.56 EUR earnings for the first 6 months looks like a solid profit at this point of the cycle. As the result does not yet include the sale of the Clearnet stakes, I think full year results should come in at least at 1 EUR per share.

So far, KAS Bank seems to do relatively well in this low part of the cycle. I will therefore continue to build up a full position (5%) of the portfolio. Trading volume in KAS Bank was low the last few days but picked up today.

Reply SpA (ISIN IT0001499679) part 2: – Peer Group, Free Cash flow & receivables

First of all thank you for the many helpful comments in part 1 of the Reply post.

I think as a next step, a standard Peer Group comparison might be interesting. I selected a couple of midsize European IT system providers. Lets look how they compare based on some standard ratios:

Name Mkt Cap (EUR) P/E EV/EBITDA (FY1) Return on Equity 3 Yr Average
REPLY SPA 159.56M 5.76 3.48 15.39%
BECHTLE AG 638.40M 11.02 6.21 13.20%
TIETO OYJ 984.66M 15.91 5.42 10.28%
PRODWARE 51.15M 3.51 3.06 18.47%
CANCOM AG 127.49M 9.37 4.6 16.46%
SOPRA GROUP 465.04M 10.05 4.43 17.58%
ATOS 3.90B 20.87 4.29 5.59%
GROUPE STERIA SCA 335.76M 5.96 3.91 7.31%
COMPUTACENTER PLC 750.09M 9.42 4.45 13.81%
INDRA SISTEMAS SA 1.30B 9.34 6.77 20.07%
Avg   10.12 4.66 13.82%

One could say despite good profitability, all of those companies are relatively cheap. Apart from tiny Prodware, Reply is the second cheapest despite above average ROEs.

Interesting are of course also the operating statistics:

Name Days Sales Outstanding (A/R Days) Revenue per Employee Operating Profit per Employee Operating Margin
REPLY SPA 169.5 128.67k 14.22k 11.05%
BECHTLE AG 49.0 364.10k 14.96k 4.11%
TIETO OYJ 72.1 100.87k 5.64k 5.60%
PRODWARE 152.8 93.23k 14.82k 15.90%
CANCOM AG 47.0 259.60k 8.80k 3.39%
SOPRA GROUP 124.0 83.29k 7.30k 8.76%
ATOS 84.7 92.98k 5.77k 6.20%
GROUPE STERIA SCA 59.6 87.44k 6.26k 7.16%
COMPUTACENTER PLC 64.8 298.50k 7.65k 2.56%
INDRA SISTEMAS SA 226.5 86.47k 8.67k 10.03%
Avg 105.0     7.48%

It is obvious, that Reply and Indra (from Spain) do have issues with receivables. Reply Germany only has ~64 days of receivables outstanding. Based on profit per employee Reply looks good as well on par with German Bechtle and French prodware. Operating margins are far above average.

So what not to like ?

The answer is relatively clear if we look at this tabel: Free Cashflow

Name FCF Yld Dvd Yld
REPLY SPA -11.99% 2.92%
PRODWARE 5.87% 1.08%
ATOS 9.94% 2.44%
CANCOM AG 10.23% 2.79%
BECHTLE AG 3.91% 3.24%
GROUPE STERIA SCA 13.52% 4.27%
SOPRA GROUP 3.63% 4.75%
TIETO OYJ 5.17% 5.45%

As we can see, the business is usually quite cash generative, only Reply has negative free cashflow. How comes ?

As some of you might know, I like to structure the cash flow statement a little bit differently to see where the cash goes to:

2011 2010 2009 2008 2007 Total
Op CF 4.7 25.3 26.0 10.3 19.6 85.9
Delta WC -21.8 -24.6 -2.5 -22.9 -9.9 -81.7
Free CF adj. 26.5 49.9 28.6 33.2 29.5 167.6
Capex -7.8 -5.8 -7.5 -8.6 -4.7 -34.3
acqu -8.0 -4.1 -6.9 -21.3 -7.1 -47.3
Div. -4.5 -3.3 -3.7 -3.7 -3.0 -18.2
other fin cf -4.6 -13.9 -9.9 7.0 2.2 -19.2
Depr. -6.0 -7.6 -6.9 -4.9 -4.0 -29.4
Capex-Depr -1.8 1.9 -0.6 -3.7 -0.7 -4.9
Net income 24.2 20.4 16.6 18.9 15.7 95.8
FCF adj/NI 109.7% 244.9% 171.7% 175.2% 188.0%

So over the last 5 years, 50% of the free cashflow had to be invested back into working capital, 25% into acqisitions, the rest into Capex, dividends and financing.

If we look at 2010, we can see that this was a very strange year with a big jump in cashflow whereas 2011 looks rather bad, especially compared to net income.

One of the major factors in 2011 for the low cashflow seems to be an abnormally high tax payment (30 mn va. 13 mn the year before). I have to admit that taxes are my weakest point in my analytic skill set and I don’t really understand this. The 2010 payment seems to have been lower than the tax expense, the 2011 higher, on average they seem to be similar to expenses.


Now to the fun part. Let’s look at he 2011 report and we see something truly worrysome here:

“Overdue” receivables jumped up from ~10% of receivables to almost 20% of receivcables. We can also see that in 2010, almost 100% of the 360 day overdue receivables were written of, wheres only 25% were written of in 2011.

Let’s compare 2010 and 2011:

1-90 91-180 181-360 > 360
Overdue 2010 15.6 2.6 0.9 1.7
allowance 0.2 0.2 0.2 1.5
in % 1.15% 8.21% 28.49% 87.71%
  1-90 91-180 181-360 > 360
Overdue 2011 28.0 8.0 3.1 4.9
allowance 0.4 0.2 0.5 1.5
in % 1.27% 2.56% 15.90% 30.35%

This is a real issue from my point of view and could mean some “optimistic” accounting on the side of Reply SpA. If we would apply the same percentages as in 2010, we would get the following additional charges:

1-90 91-180 181-360 > 360
Overdue 2011 28.0 8.0 3.1 4.9
2010% 1.15% 8.21% 28.49% 87.71%
2011 allow (2010) 0.32 0.65 0.88 4.27
Delta -0.03 0.45 0.39 2.79

So this would mean 3.6 mn pre tax charges. One could even argue that based on the recent developements even higher charges would be necessary so for instance a full write off of 360+ receivabels. So we migth want to adjust Reply’s earnings maybe for ~5 mn EUR pre tax or 2.75 mn (~30 cents per share) after tax, which would still give us EPS of ~ 2.60 or a P/E of 6.6.


Free cashflow generation at Reply is somehow limited as 50% of FCF go directly into an increase in working capital. Additionally, receivables accounting seems to be optimistic. So we have already 2 reasons why the stock is so cheap. However I will have to dig a little bit deeper to understand if there is still value there.

In general, I do have problems when I discover “optimistic” accounting as I loose confidence in their overall accounts. For a company like Reply with a lot of goodwill and intangibles, the accounting should be more on the conservative side.

Boss score harvest part 6: Reply SpA (ISIN IT0001499679) – Quick check

Cheap Italian companies are ” a dime for a dozen” at the moment. Cheap Italian companies with rising sales, improving margins and solid balance sheets are however as common as the common “black swan”.

One Italian company which looks good under my Boss Score model is Reply SPA from Italy.

Reply SPA looks relatively cheap based on traditional metrics, especially P/E and EV/EBITDA

Market Cap: 160 mn EUR
P/B 1
P/E Trailing 5.9
Div. yield 2.85%

What really raised my interest was their half year update, which shows nicely improving figures:

The Board of Directors approves the Half-yearly Report as at 30 June 2012
2 August 2012

“Double digits” growth for all economic and financial indicators:

Consolidated turnover of 244.2 million Euros (+11.6% compared with H1 2011);
EBITDA of 30.7 million Euros (+15.9% compared with H1 2011);
EBIT at 27.6 million Euros (+19.8% compared with H1 2011);
Earnings before taxes of 26.8 million Euros (+18.9% compared with H1 2011)

This is even more astonishing, as they have 3/4 of their activities in Italy. So how are they doing it and what are they doing anyway ? Bloomberg says the following:

Reply S.p.A. specializes in the design and implementation of solutions based on new communication channels and digital media. The Company’s services include consultancy, system integration, application management, and business process outsourcing. Reply S.p.A. provides services to business groups within Telco & Media, Industry & Services, and Banking & Insurance sectors.

If I understand correctly, they seem to be a kind of IT systems integration company. In their annual report, they use all the “buzzwords”, like cloud computing, mobile payments, big date business security etc.

Similar to German IT company Bechtle, Reply seems to have grown through acquisitions in the past and is more a “collection” of smaller IT companies than one monolithic company.

Balance Sheet

A quick look into the balance sheet:

Reply has relatively low debt (they had zero debt in 2010) which is good. However we can see a significant amount of Goodwill. This is a problem if profitability would go down.

So far it looks OK. With ROE of 16.5% and ROIC in the double digits (including Goodwill, 13.7%) it looks like they did not overpay for acquisitions.

One thing which caught my attention was the high amount of receivables, with almost 50% receivables compared to sales. However looking at the past, this seems a “normal” amount for reply. If we look at historic numbers, they were always in that range:

Receivables Sales  
2007 121 230 52.6%
2008 144 277 52.0%
2008 144 330 43.6%
2009 153.7 340 45.2%
2010 189.1 384.2 49.2%
2011 219.0 440.3 49.7%

German IT company Bechtle AG, which seems to have a similar business model however has only 10-15% receivables compared to sales. So this is definitely something to explore further.

Stock price, shareholders etc.

Although the stock is clearly below 2007 highs, the stock has clearly outperformed the Italian index as one can see in the following chart:

Typically for Italian companies, the majority yof the company is is controlled by a family, in this case by Mario Rizzante through his Alika Srl holding. Hi daughter Tatian is CEO of the company.

Among the other shareholders, I found the “Franfurter Aktionfonds für Stiftungen” very interesting. I am not sure how succesful they are but in their portfolio are many stocks I find interesting as well. For them, the 4.83% stacke is one of the largest fund positions.

Special stuff

I overlooked almost one very interesting detail about Reply: Reply owns 78.6% of German listed “Reply Germany”, the former Syskoplan AG (ISIN DE0005501456).

Reply Germany is interestingly valued much much higher, at around 11.7x EV(EBITDA and 1.6x P/B. and a P/E of 13. A quick back of the envelope calculation shows the following

– value of the stake 37 mn EUR
– trailing 12 m earnings 0.72 cents per share or 3.5 mn EUR

If we deduct this from Reply’s 140 mn market cap and Reply’s profit, we can see that Reply’s business ex Syskoplan is actually valued at a P/E below 5.

Quick summary:

Reply SpA looks like a really interesting stock. However I do not have a lot of experience with investing in IT service companies, despite having started by professional carreer in one. So I will have some more work to do with Reply, especially a comparison with companies like Bechtle. The one thing to watch out is clearly the receivables issue.

KAS Bank NV (NL0000362648) – Specialist banking opportunity ?

This is not meant to be an investment advice. Please do your own work. The author might have bought or sold the stock already prior any discussion. Don’t trust ANYONE with stock tipps or other easy ways to make money.

In general I try to stay away as far as possible from banks. However KAS Bank NV (NL0000362648) might be interesting.

KAS Bank itself describes its business as follows:

KAS BANK N.V. is the independent European specialist in securities services and risk control and reporting services for professional clients in the pensions and securities industry.

KAS BANK pursues a ‘pure play’ strategy, underlining the bank’s absolute neutrality and independence. A low risk profile is integral to its services and is reflected in the quality of its balance sheet and its high solvency ratio.

So this is important why it is technically a “bank” effectively it is a sort of service company with a banking license.

Based on traditional metrics the company looks relatively cheap although technically all the banks are cheap.

MArket Cap: 100 mn EUR
P/B: 0.6
P/S: 0.2
P/E Trailing 10.0
Div. Yield 7.2%

Before diving into the details one should always ask the question: Why might KAS Bank be an interesting investment ? My thesis (which will then have to be tested) is the following:

+ Service based business model should show less volatility than credit based bank models
+ as client base etc. is Netherlands and Germany fundamental fall out from EUR crisis should be low
+ stock price might have been punished by overall issues with banking industry
+ business should be cash generative increased cap. requirements should be not a big problem
+ no risk of dilutive capital increases
+ small market cap and low analyst coverage might further nake stock unattractive

Earnings history & volatility

As a financial stock with mark to market accounting KAS bank doesnt look that good in my “boss” model but this is to be expected for any financial stock with mtm assets and liabilities.

If we look at 5 year figures provided by KAS Bank we can clearly see that the overall results were less stable than I would have assumed:

2007 2008 2009 2010 2011
net asset value 14.19 11.49 13.27 12.83 11.36
basic earnings per share 3.41 -2.7 1.69 1.27 0.7
dividend 2.6 0.45 0.73 0.73 0.5

On the plus side they paid a dividend each year however earnings were quite volatile with a big loss in 2008 caused by impairments.

Looking into the 2008 annual report one quickly sees the following comment:

Impairment losses on loans, including Lehman and one Madoff-related investment, bonds and equities in the available-for-sale portfolio, goodwill and two exceptional charges reduced the net result for 2008 by €58.7 million.

On a gross basis those impairment charges were ~5 EUR per share so quite significant. Further on they give more details on the losses:

As a result of this exercise, the bank has recognised impairment losses on loans and advances totalling €35.3 million (2007: nil). This item is made up of impairment losses on receivables in respect of securities lending positions with Lehmann Brothers Inc as client (€9.6 million) and in respect of an investment indirectly caught up in the serious fraud case involving Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC (€11.8 million). The rest of
the impairment losses (€13.9 million) relates to loans and advances to clients who are expected to be unable to repay their loans in full and, based on objective evidence, in connection with which the securities provided as collateral have fallen sharply in value.
Available-for-sale investments
The portfolio of available-for-sale investments is made up of shares and bonds and, with regard to both, there is objective evidence of impairment losses of €21.9 million (2007: €1.5 million) and €11.0 million (2007: nil), respectively. The difference between the cost and the current fair value has been transferred from the revaluation reserve to the income statement.
Intangible assets
The deterioration in market conditions has led the bank to make a downward adjustment in the future profit projections for the subsidiary in Germany acquired 1 July 2008, involving the recognition of an impairment loss of €5.2 million in respect of goodwill. This goodwill impairment loss is not allowable against tax.
Other equipment
In connection with the vacating of leased premises in 2007, all the previously capitalised costs of alterations to the building, totalling €3.2 million, were written off.

So all in all it was a combination of different financial crisis related write-offs which caused those impairments. We can clearly see that the business model includes at least some credit risk so its not a “Pure” service function. Going forward I guess the whole industry has learned from the “Lehman moment”.

Business model

At this point it makes sense to look at how the business model of a custodian looks like. Simply speaking a custodian manages the technical aspects of a security portfolio. The custodian executes trades records and receives interest coupons and dividends on behalf of the investor and sometimes offers “add on services” like reporting accounting cash management securities lending programs etc.

Some more background of the custodian business can be found for instance here or for a real deep dive this 100 page + overview of the industry.

In general one could asay that the custodian business is an interesting growing business however it is not clear if specialists or universal banks will profit most. Personally I think that after the crisis a specialist with “untarnished” reputation might have a certain reputation advantage.

In principle one can simplify the custodian business into 2 parts:

1. Transaction and service fees
2. Spread on “float”

The first part is relatively easy and is depending on the size of the administrated portfolios and the frequency of transactions. The second part is more difficult.

Custodians are a typical “float” business. If we look at KAS Bank’s 2011 accounts we can see at first a huge amount of leverage:

We have 5.2 bn EUR of liabilities against only 170 mn equity. However if we look at the funding side we see the following split:

Of the ~5 bn EUR financial liabilities around 0.5 bn are deposits from other banks so called “wholesale” funding. 4.5 bn are from non banks. Of the non-bank money again 0.7 bn are time deposits and 3.8 bn are “demand deposits”.

The non-bank demand deposit is the interesting part. Although this amount is fluctuating significantly a large part of this is “float”. usually every day some of the securities either pay interest dividend or mature. So KAS bank has a constant cash inflow from its client portfolios. Only few clients manage those cash flows on a day-to-day basis. Normally they only act if a certain amount accrues.

Custodian banks sometimes offer interest for those accounts at usually well below market rates. In normal times the custodians than invest those funds into the “normal” money market and earn a nice spread.

However at the moment, with short term interest rates at zero this “spread” is almost zero to. So for custodian banks the “float” part of the business is at its worst point in the cycle. KAS Bank (as many others) even took this further in investing part of the float into a security portfolio which at times can produce some mtm changes as we all know.

Looking at the pure “net interest result” without derivatives we can clearly see that KAS Bank could generate even in 2008 around 30 mn net interest result whereas in 2011 this amount dropped to 20 mn EUR pre tax.

Net commission income at the moment is around ~70 mn EUR this used to be ~90 mn EUR p.a. in the good days.

So we can see that both pillars are at the moment at a depressed status. Another interesting aspect is that custodians scale quite well. More transactions do not require a lot of more expenses if the infrastructure is in place. So if business (and interest rates) pick up profits will increase over proportionally.

Potential “Moat”

Custodian business in principle is a kind of “commodity” business. However there are some significant switching costs associated with changing custodians especially with more complex institutions like pension funds and insurance companies.

Within total costs for managing financial assets custodian fees are a relatively small cost block however in the overall process the custodian is very important.

So many institutions will think twice before changing an existing custodian relationship because any cost advantage will not be very big compared to the potential hassle.

I would call this a “weak” moat.

Current developement:

KAS Bank doesn’t issue quarterly reports only short “trading updates”. The Q1 update was Ok in line with 2011. However they mention a special positive effect of 4 mn EUR:

The half year report is scheduled for end of August in a couple of days

Non-operating result in Q1 2012 comes to €2.0 million and is chiefly attributable to the revaluation of a number of perpetual loans from banks. The proceeds of the planned sale of the shareholding in LCH.Clearnet will contribute €4.3 million net to the result in 2012.

So this seems to be a realization of a “Hidden asset”.

Dividend policy:

The stated dividend policy seems to be quite shareholder friendly:

Dividend policy
In accordance with the dividend policy discussed with the General Meeting of Shareholders, our target is to distribute 60-80% of the net result, where the profit permits and unless prevented by exceptional circumstances.


Interestingly KAS Bank does not have a dominating shareholder. LArge shareholders according to the annual reports are:

5% holdings
The following institutions have given notification of holdings of 5% or more in KAS BANK pursuant to the Financial Supervision Act and the Decree on Disclosure of Control and Major Holdings in Listed Companies.
– Delta Lloyd N.V. 12.2%
– APG Algemene Pensioen Groep N.V. 8.8%
– Delta Deelnemingen Fonds N.V. 8.6%
– ING Groep N.V. 7.9%
– All Capital Holding B.V. 5.3%
– KAS BANK N.V. 5.1%

Historically ING held more than double the current amount and sold down half of their stake in 2007 and 2008.

Some smaller positions are held by funds the only known value investor is Sparinvest with a 0.17% share. However the seem to have a “Poison Pill” in place for unfriendly take overs. So this limits any take over (and short term catalyst) “fantasies to a certain extent.

The stock is followed only by a few Dutch analysts 4 of 5 analysts have a buy rating with target prices between 10-13 EUR per share.


Management owns smaller positions in the stock and some options but compared to salaries (which ar Ok by the way) stock exposure of management is relatively small.

Balance Sheet quality

Overall balance sheet quality seems to be Ok. intangibles are ~14 mn EUR or less then 10% of equity. Disclosure for the AFS portfolio could be better. They only publish rating categories with the disclaimer

* No sovereign exposure on the PIIGS countries

So there would be some room for improvement.


For me KAS bank is one of the few financial institutions where I would see a good “reversion to the mean” opportunity. They currently trade at an approximated “normalised” bottom of the cycle P/E of 7 and P/B of 0.6.

Average EPS over the last 14 years was 1.74. If we assume that conservatively They can achieve the 1.75 at some point in time in the future and a “fair P/E would be 10 then the share could be worth ~17,50 EUR. Average Price/Book over the last 14 years was about 1.2 so this would imply a double on current P/B of 0.6 if things return to “Normal” for KAS Bank.

Looking at the two profit pillars one could come up with the following valuation approach:

1. Pretax income on “float” ~25 mn EUR over a cycle
2. Fee income trading income etc. 100 mn EUR p.a. over a cycle
Minus 100 mn cost would be 25 mn EUR pre tax or ~ 20 mn EUR p.a. post tax of annual profit

Discounted by 10% this would again give us a value around double the current market price.

So from a valuation point of view I would say that KAS Bank should be worth double before any growth and excluding any future catastrophes.

Stock Price

The stock chart looks relatively ugly:

From a momentum point of view one shouldn’t touch the stock. In contrast to most other banks the stock didn’t rebound at all in the past few weeks. This might reflect that KAS Bank has not a lot of PIIGS exposure. Positively one could say that at least based on the last few months the stock price has found a floor at around 7 EUR.

Personally I think that KAS Bank now has reached a “fundamental” floor so in this case i will again ignore stock price “momentum” to a certain extent.

Interestingly, Beta to the AEX is only 0.62, which fits very well into my “low vol” strategy. What is very strange but interesting is the fact that Kas Bank is not really correlated to anything. Just for fun I looked at the 1 year correlations against the Dutch Index the Stoxx Banking index and ING:

SX7E 1.00 0.27 0.86 0.83
INGA 0.86 0.28 1.00 0.89
AEX 0.83 0.32 0.89 1.00
KA 0.27 1.00 0.28 0.32

Although this is not the most important decision point for me, the low correlation of KAS Bank makes it very attractive from a portfolio risk point of view.


KAS Bank for me looks like a very interesting opportunity within the banking sector due to the following reasons:

+ attractive specialist business model (custodian)
+ cheap valuation even based on current “bottom of the cycle” earnings
+ valuation depressed because of overall hostility against banks
+ low or no analyst coverage
+ reversion to the mean speculation a lot less risky than with normal banks as virtually no risk of dilution (even Basel III standards are met by a wide margin)
+ potential upside ~100% over the next 3-5 years plus dividends+ low correlation / beta good portfolio diversifier

For the portfolio I will start as usual with a half position (2.5%) and then decide after the half year report if I want to increase.

New Series: Strange stocks – Part 1: Swiss National Bank (SNB) and Banque National de Belgique (BNB)

Before Nate at Oddball “discovers” all the <2off the radar" European stocks I thought that I start a series about stocks which are in my opinion are strange or uncommon. A little competition in this area might not hurt…

IMPORTANT: Most of those stocks will not be really investments. This is “just for fun” mostly. So if you are looking for “actionable ideas with a catalyst” you might consider skipping this series. If you are however more liek a “stock collector” feel free to read and comment.

In the internet there is often a lively debate about the fact that the US Fed is in principle privately owned. I don’t want to touch this now as this pretty quickly goes into the racist or religious direction.

So lets look at two other National banks. Not many people know that both the Swiss National Bank (ISIN CH0001319265) and the Belgium National Bank (BE0003008019) are both listed stock companies.

Swiss National Bank (ISIN CH0001319265)

The SNB has 100 thsd shares outstanding giving it a market cap of ~100 mn “Swissies”. Not a lot for a bank who can print one of the hardest currencies in the world and is holding 400 bn CHF foreign reserves ? To make things more interesting, the SNB had a profit of 6.5 bn CHF (!!!) in the first 6 month of the year. So ist his a P/E 0.01 investment ?

Not so fast there are some details to consider.

1. Shareholders do not really have rights as most of the normal shareholder’s rights are capped through a special Swiss law

2. The same law also fixes the maximum dividend amount at 15 CHF. Any profit above goes to the Government

So effectively we do have a perpetual Swiss Frank Bond with a yield of around ~1.5 % at current prices, which for CHF is not unattractive.

As the stock basically trades in line with interest rates the long decline in rates actually led to a very nice and steady performance over the last 10-15 years:

For some strange reason a German professor is the largest private shareholder of SNB with almost 5.6% which caused some raised eyebrows in Switzerland. According to the Economist only ~53% are held by Swiss Government entities.

Summary: If you are bullish on the Swissie it could be a good hedge to buy SNB shares. additionally it might be just fun to be shareholder of the Swiss Nationalbank. If you have some spare time the annual meeting might be good entertainment. However it clearly does not fit into my portfolio.

Belgium National Bank (BE0003008019)

The Belgium National bank is also a listed company. Interestingly tiny weak Belgium National Bank has a market cap of 900 mn EUR ~8 times that of “Mighty” SNB. How comes ?

This might have something to do with the following developement of dividends since 1998:

31.12.1998 58.67
31.12.1999 59.16
29.12.2000 59.87
31.12.2001 61.47
31.12.2002 63.00
31.12.2003 64.13
31.12.2004 65.33
30.12.2005 66.67
29.12.2006 68.47
31.12.2007 70.00
31.12.2008 72.00
31.12.2009 75.00
31.12.2010 126.48
30.12.2011 166.12

So clearly the BNB is paying out a lot more than the SNB having a nice yield of around 6.2%. The “Mechanics” of the dividend are published unfortunately only in Dutch or French.

If I understood correctly the dividend is determined the following way:

1. A guarantee dividend of EUR 1.5 per share
2. Additionally the National Bank reserves a part of the profit which prevents that all profit is distributed to the Government. The yield on this reserve is then distributed to the shareholders.

In the latest shareholder presentation there are some slides regarding this reserves and average yields etc.

I didn’t fully understand the mechanism but it looks like that BNB shareholders were one of the beneficiaries of expanding central bank balance sheets.

Summary: Although i don’t fully understand the mechanism the BNB profit distribution mechanism looks quite interesting. I am not sure if this is an investment right now but something to keep on the radar screen maybe as an alternative to long term bonds with in implicit Financial crisis option. The stock actually would qualify for the “Exotic security” category as well.

Portfolio updates & ManU short

Draeger Genußscheine

After the dramatic increase in the Draeger Genußscheine, the portfolio weight of this position increased to aropund 11%. As 10% is my maximum treshold, I will sell down to 10% of portfolio weight from today on.

Manchester United short

Manchester United is now avaliable to short at Interactive Brokers. Therefore I will start with a 1% portfolio weight short position as of today as discussed in the post.

On the third trading day, the stock showed already a similar pattern to Facebook after the IPO, with the banks supportiung now at 13,40 USD after the IPO price didn’t hold.

Rebalancing: Total Produce, Hornbach, Vetropack

Due to differences in performance and paid out , some of my core holdings dropped significantly below the 5% target thresholds, among others:

– Total Produce (~4.2%(
– Hornbach (~4.5%)
– Vetropack (4.16%)

For those 3 companies, I will add to a full 5% over the next days depending on volume.


By the way, please do not forget that I might own or buy or sell the mentioned securities privatley and read the disclaimer.

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